From: Think Tank Subject: Think Tank Vol. 0041 25/06/2000 Think.tank@tesco.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS' INDEX 1: Kinetic Energy Rope 2: Kinetic energy recovery rope (KERR) 3: Kinetic Energy Rope (KERR) 4: LVTP5A1 5: Face painting 6: Finnish T-26s 7: Finnish T-26s -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: Kits for sale 2: APMA site update -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Chris.Evenden@agso.gov.au Subject: Kinetic Energy Rope I believe that Accurate Armour make some CVRT Kinetic Energy Rope in resin? Chris -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: John Harris [john@ukmilmod.force9.co.uk] Subject: Kinetic energy recovery rope (KERR) Accurate Armour do (or did?) a set for a Kinetic Energy Recovery Rope, I think you got resin fittings and string ropes. I remember this piece of equipment being demonstrated at a Bovington Battle Day in 1989, most impressive! Bear in mind that the 'Battle Day' was a proper one at Gallows Hill, not the detuned version of recent years. John Harris john@ukmilmod.force9.co.uk UK Military Modelling http://www.ukmilmod.force9.co.uk -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: PSmith6328@aol.com Subject: Kinetic Energy Rope (KERR) In answer to your question Accurate Armour accessory set A24 Modern British CVR(T) Kinetic rope & leads should fit the bill, but if you want to make your own a visit to your local haberdasher should furnish you with a suitable pattern sash cord (1.5mm diameter for 1/35) scale for the kinetic rope. For the twin core slave lead you will require a twin core bell wire (1.5 mm wide 1/35 scale) as used for wiring up domestic door chimes. The various shackles, etc. can be scratch built or you may have something like in your spares box. Hope this helps Phill Smith Thanks to all of you who came up with suggestions for this - I will pursue AA when I see them next. I still have a supply of a very useful circular section rubber in multi-strand strip which I acquired from Tim Perry before the demise of PP which I will probably use for slave leads, although I do not recall seeing them on Falklands vehicles - I suspect that they may have been kept in bins instead of carried externally. Robert -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: MALCOLM IRESON [ireson@carltons36.freeserve.co.uk] Subject: LVTP5A1 I have just brought the AFV Club kit of this vehicle, and wanted to do the inside out as well. When I asked for the price of the inside detail/ model, I was told at least £ 50!!!!!!! There is no way on this earth I am paying that sort of money for something that really should have been in the kit in the first place! To that end, does anyone have/ know of any reference of the inside/ outside of this vehicle. Thanks in advance, Cheers, Malc. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: MALCOLM IRESON [ireson@carltons36.freeserve.co.uk] Subject: Face painting Before anyone says what the hell has figures got to do with tanks + AFVs, please let me explain! The pure AFV modelers among you would give me a good going over about this subject, and half of me says I don't blame them, but personally, I think that the inclusion of one or two figures in to an AFV kit gives it a little bit of life, not to mention in some cases it lets the general onlooker realize how big these tanks were! To that end, I have recently brought the AFV Club model of LVTP5A1 and wanted to include some riders on top. In my spares box, I have the little set of figures that came with the Tamiya M113 many moons ago, in that set there is a coloured character. I am not bad (but by figure modeller's standards total rubbish) at painting white faces, but how do you go about painting a coloured face?? I know this is long-winded and drawn out, but can anybody help to at least stir me in the right direction? Cheers, Malc. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: Mike Cooper [coopmik1@hotmail.com] Subject: Finnish T-26s Dear TTers I read the query about Finnish T-26 colours with interest - I've quite a thing about the Vickers 6-tonner family and picked up a good issue of IPMS Mallari from IPMS Finland on the type. Russell Hadler of Barbarossa had a good drawing history (in Russian) of the 6-Tonner and T-26 families including Finnish variants. Bovington, of course, has an ex-Finnish T-26 Model 1933. In "Soviet Tanks in Combat 1941-45" (Concord, 1997 Concord 7011), Steve Zaloga amplifies his comments on the Finnish three tone scheme in "Eastern Front". He says that the tones are: Olive green/moss green - c.FS595b 34151 Chocolate brown - 30117 and a "warm sand grey" 36424 34151 is a light, bright grassy medium green, and the brown is quite a rich dark brown - I hate to mention it but I its like British SCC2. Light tone is more grey than sand - Humbrol 64 looks close. Sadly, given his access to sources Steve Zaloga doesn't say how he knows that Finnish colours can be said to match these FS numbers, so I'm afraid it doesn't really get us a lot closer. Did the Finns develop their own paints? Are these Russian colours? As to the insides - I wonder what colour is inside Bovington's? I strongly suspect that it'll be white as that seems to have been the standard Russian tone. Hope this helps Mike Cooper -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: Richard Marks [richard@marks28.freeserve.co.uk] Subject: Finnish T-26s Hi Rob, It's been a while since I mailed you. I was working for Wella last time!!! (I have changed jobs now !). One of my pet subjects - Finnish Tank colours. I have a copy of Puolustusvoimien Panssarikalusto 1918 - 1989 (little book on Finnish armour, from Finland). This has loads of black and white pictures of Finnish Tanks and pretty much covers everything they had including a T28 recovery vehicle and an ISU152 ARV!!!! There is a hardback updated version of this book available from Barbarossa Books. Finnish Vickers 6-tonners, I am afraid, appear to be plain green (I use Humbrol 76) overall, with white, blue, white bands around the top of the side plate of turrets. After 21 June 1941, the Hakaristi was adopted (the same as the Finnish Airforce had been using). I have one reference of a Finnish Vickers 6-tonner in green with a skull and cross bones motif on the plate to the right of the driver's hatch. The Finns rebuilt their Vickers 6-tonners with 37mm Puteaux (as per the FT17), and then upgraded them using Bofors 37mm when the Winter War broke out in 1939. In 1940 they were upgunned again with captured Russian 45mm guns, and some then survived through to 1959. The rebuilt 6-tonners were then re-classified T26-E by the Finns. The T26 in Bovington is an ex-Finnish vehicle and has a bar attached across the rear of the vehicle just below the top of the engine deck, which appears to be an addition made by the Finns, at some point. It is probable that the rebuilt 6-tonners got this too. The only references I have show T26s in 3 tone which are different to the Vickers 6-tonner, but Mike Cooper may be able to fill in details there as I can't remember where the difference lies off the top of my head. I believe it may be the engine deck. Mike ??? The only vehicles I have references of the three tone being applied to are KV1E model 1940, KV1 model 1942, BT42, Landsverk Anti II, StuG 40 ausf G, T-34 Model 1941, BA6 armoured car, BA20M armoured car and T26 Model 1933; it also seems probable that their T50s also got three tone. It would appear that the vehicle interiors remained whatever colour they were when the Finns bought or captured them. Panzer IV obtained from Germany did remain in the their original German dunkelgelb, but the StuGs got repaints, and even appliqué LOG armour in some cases !!!!! Hope this helps Richard -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Clive Harman [cliveharman1@yahoo.com] Subject: Kits for sale I've got some 1:35 kits for sale, I would like to restrict it to UK to avoid postage/funds problems:- The kits were purchased directly from HK, unfortunately the kind souls they were ordered for changed their minds after the order was en route! "Trumpeter" Wz551 6 wheel AFV w/20mm Type-98 latest PLA MBT Type-79 w/105 (development of T-69) Type-59D with Era (If you have any questions on the Trumpeter kits in view of all the threads on most discussion groups, drop me a line) "AA Models" Wz523 6 wheel Garrison Security vehicle All above £11.50 ea. Whilst trying to find space, I found these lurking on the shelf:- "Accurate Armour" T-34 trackpax £5.00 "SP Designs" BTR-80S Resin/metal conversion 14.5mm turret £5.00 "Italeri" GMC 2 I/2 ton truck £5.00 Postage needs to be added to all above. e-mail me direct. cliveharman1@yahoo.com Regards Clive Harman -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Shane & Lorna Jenkins [sljenkins@tac.com.au] Subject: APMA site update Hi, The APMA site was updated last week with over 300 pictures. We also started off our new reference section. I also updated the think Tank page with the latest issues. On topic stuff include the following: Matilda II M3 Lee M3 Stuart Various tank pictures. 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